{"id":3294,"date":"2022-09-07T16:39:09","date_gmt":"2022-09-07T20:39:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.law.georgetown.edu\/human-rights-institute\/?page_id=3294"},"modified":"2025-05-12T14:17:15","modified_gmt":"2025-05-12T18:17:15","slug":"rule-of-law-in-the-context-of-military-interventions","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.law.georgetown.edu\/human-rights-institute\/events\/samuel-dash-conference-on-human-rights\/rule-of-law-in-the-context-of-military-interventions\/","title":{"rendered":"Rule of Law in the Context of Military Interventions"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">In his opening remarks, Thomas Nachbar, decorated veteran and professor at the University of Virginia School of Law, described the two universal truths within the \u201crule of law.\u201d The first is that bringing about the kind of changes represented by the term is very challenging, and the second is that any approach to the rule of law must be a coordinated one. Unfortunately, there are many inhibitors to achieving the coordination required for progress within the rule of law, especially in relation to military interventions. <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cSome of the disagreement is explicit and represents different theories and ideas about how things like the security environment affect your ability to engage in capacity building projects. Some, for instance, might view rule of law as a means to security while others might view security as a means to rule of law.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> Both explicit and implicit disagreements prevent the much-needed progress from being made and pose many questions that require answers in order for steps to be taken.\u00a0 <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cLike many rule of law programs themselves, the ambitions underlying these plans remain largely unrealized. Moreover, it&#8217;s yet to be seen what such large-scale changes in how we approach the problem will have on the problem itself.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559731&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">This year\u2019s Samuel Dash Conference on Human Rights was a collaboration between the Georgetown Law Human Rights Institute, the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General&#8217;s Legal Center, and the University of Virginia School of Law. The conference features experts and advocates for human rights both in the United States and around the world. These individuals represent a broad community of thinkers, researchers, writers, government actors, and community activists, and they have come together to forge a clearer understanding of the roles of human rights and the rule of law in the context of military inventions.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559731&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Through the three panel discussions and two keynote speeches, our speakers sought to answer critical questions regarding the relationship between military interventions and the rule of law.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Panel I<\/span><\/b><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u2013 Military Involvement in Rule of Law Activities: Boots on the Ground<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<h3>Overview<\/h3>\n<p><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cThe whole idea of rule of law and having society governed by law is probably, after security, the most important thing that you need.\u201d \u2013 John Mantini<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">This panel discusses the military operations taking place on the ground and how the organizations engaged in those operations work together in order to execute them. Colonel David Paschal began by discussing his work in Iraq as the commander of the 1st Brigade Combat Team. In addition to the 3,800 soldiers under his command, Col. Paschal fostered a partnership with the Iraqi government that required investigations into the deeper societal issues that impacted security. <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cWe had to address the political, social, and economic means that were fueling the insurgency. What makes a young man or a young woman willing to strap on a bomb and walk into a crowded marketplace and blow themselves\u202fup?\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> Speaking about the relationship between the effectiveness of the military in fostering stability within rule of law systems and the culture of the nation, Paschal stated, <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cThe military can only provide the security for the other elements of national power to affect those areas.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">When describing the plan to streamline rule of law systems in Iraq, Phillip Carter stated that <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cit was so successful because it wasn&#8217;t an American effort, it was an Iraqi effort. We did what we could to ask questions, we engaged our counterparts directly behind closed doors, but ultimately what we wanted to see was them taking the steps.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> As a civilian lawyer who worked with the military in Iraq, Phillip Carter emphasized the importance of civilians \u2013 both from the United States and the host nation \u2013 in the military efforts to successfully improving conditions. Speaking about the importance of organization and planning in rule of law systems, John Mantini said, <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cUnless you have a good plan in place to direct those forces and direct your efforts, what you end up having is people doing a lot of different things in an uncoordinated way.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> William Spencer, an attorney who works for an NGO that is committed to protecting human rights and the rule of law, identified eight different subsections that fall under the rule of law umbrella. <\/span><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cThe idea of rule of law is not just law enforcement and rule of law is not just human rights. All of these are all pieces of a bigger holistic process that we need to recognize.\u201d<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Panelists<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559731&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Major Marie Anderson<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><strong> (moderator)<\/strong>, Associate Professor, International and Operational Law, Judge Advocate General&#8217;s Legal Center and School\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Phillip Carter<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Associate, McKenna Long &amp; Aldridge<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559731&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">John Mantini, <\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Millennium Challenge Cooperation (substitute panelist for Phil Lynch, the rule of law coordinator in Iraq)<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Col. David Paschal<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Commander, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559731&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">William Spencer,<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> Executive Director, Institute for International Law and Human Rights<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559731&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Watch the panel and subsequent Q&amp;A session on some of the military activities taking place on the ground and how they impact the rule of law below.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\"  id=\"_ytid_25105\"  width=\"480\" height=\"360\"  data-origwidth=\"480\" data-origheight=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/muaqOKAx_yU?enablejsapi=1&autoplay=0&cc_load_policy=0&cc_lang_pref=&iv_load_policy=1&loop=0&rel=1&fs=1&playsinline=0&autohide=2&theme=dark&color=red&controls=1&disablekb=0&\" class=\"__youtube_prefs__  no-lazyload\" title=\"YouTube player\"  allow=\"fullscreen; accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen data-no-lazy=\"1\" data-skipgform_ajax_framebjll=\"\"><\/iframe>\n<h2><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Lunch Address<\/span><\/b><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u2013tom Ricks<\/span><\/b><\/h2>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Introduced by: Rosa Brooks, Director of Georgetown Law Human Rights Institute<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3>Overview<\/h3>\n<p><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cTom has been a journalist for many years, there is hardly a combat zone or trouble spot in the world that Tom has not been to and reported from. Tom has a lot to tell us about, not only what has happened in the past, but perhaps what will happen in the future.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> \u2014 Rosa Brooks<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">As the special military correspondent for the Washington Post, a senior fellow at the Center for New American Security, a published author, and a contributing editor to Foreign Policy magazine, Tom Ricks has a wealth of knowledge and experience surrounding military operations and security. In his keynote address, Ricks outlines the three misconceptions that Americans have about the war in Iraq. <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cFirst is how difficult and how different the surge was from previous policy. Second is that the surge failed, and third is that the war is far from over.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559731&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Ricks recounts some of the stories that he wrote about in his book, explaining how achieving success in Iraq required regaining the trust of the Iraqi people by defending them and their territory. Through collaboration with local and nonlocal actors, the American military became more effective, and progress was made. <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cThere was a new humility, a new willingness to listen, a new understanding that the American way is not the only way, and probably is not even the best way. That the only solutions are going to be local solutions.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559731&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Watch Tom Ricks,\u00a0<\/span>Special Military Correspondent for the Washington Post and author of <i>Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq<\/i> and <i>The Gamble: General David Petraeus and the American Military Adventure in Iraq, 2006-2008<\/i>,<span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0as he shares his knowledge of the role of the American military in Iraq and the subsequent Q&amp;A session below.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\"  id=\"_ytid_78147\"  width=\"480\" height=\"360\"  data-origwidth=\"480\" data-origheight=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/XjjNJisXAWc?enablejsapi=1&autoplay=0&cc_load_policy=0&cc_lang_pref=&iv_load_policy=1&loop=0&rel=1&fs=1&playsinline=0&autohide=2&theme=dark&color=red&controls=1&disablekb=0&\" class=\"__youtube_prefs__  no-lazyload\" title=\"YouTube player\"  allow=\"fullscreen; accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen data-no-lazy=\"1\" data-skipgform_ajax_framebjll=\"\"><\/iframe>\n<h2><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Panel II<\/span><\/b><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u2013 The Institutional Approach to Rule of Law: Whose Job Is It Anyway?\u00a0<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<h3><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">Overview<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cHere&#8217;s where we are today. We&#8217;ve relearned a lot of past lessons, spent a lot of money and blood, and we&#8217;ve learned some new lessons. We&#8217;ve learned that the principle of legitimacy impacts every aspect of stability operations from every conceivable perspective, and this is directly linked to the rule of law.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> \u2014 Brig. Gen. Edward Cardon<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">This panel addresses questions about how different institutions bring different approaches to rule of law and how they can work best together in order to engage in these operations. With backgrounds in the military, government, consulting, and other fields, the panelists bring a wealth of knowledge to the discussion regarding how we should understand the rule of law and what the goals and objectives of building a post-conflict rule of law should be.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Chris Homan spoke to the timeliness of this discussion and the need for building rule of law institutions. <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cWe have two huge military engagements right now \u2013 one in Iraq, one in Afghanistan \u2013 and the need for building the basic democratic institutions in these countries couldn&#8217;t be larger.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> Homan emphasized that the work to expand democracy and increase civil and political is a long-term endeavor that requires patience and perseverance. Rachel Klein posed the comparison between the ideal and the reality when approaching rule of law and addressed the role of the military in achieving positive change. According to Klein, the core of rule of law can be seen from the perspective of the Ancient Greeks, who used the ends to determine the means. <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cThis approach looks at things like law and order, equality before the law, human rights, a government that obeys the law, and the settlement of disputes\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> to determine what rule of law institutions are necessary in a society.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Looking to the future and analyzing the flaws that prohibit the American military from achieving their goals, Johanna Mendelson Forman identified internal issues. When she thinks <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cabout the pledge that President Obama made to improve civil military balance and US operations and to put a more civilian face on the development in government, governance efforts are truly being hampered\u2026 by the problems in our own system. The institutional disharmony and the problems of the way we are organized as a government still have not been remedied.\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Brigadier General Edward Cardon addressed the central question: \u201cwhose job is it anyway?\u201d In response, Cardon stated that <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201ceveryone has a role to play. There&#8217;s a science to this that matters. Security enables civilian capacity. If you take away security, and the security<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">situation is bad, then there is no civilian capacity to put forth. The art of it matters.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Panelists<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559731&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Jane Stromseth (moderator)<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Professor of Law, Georgetown Law<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Brig. Gen. Edward Cardon<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Deputy Commander, U.S. Army Combined Arms Center (Leadership Development and Education) and Deputy Commandant, U.S. Army Command and General Staff College\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Chris Homan<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Foreign Policy Advisor for Senator Richard Durbin\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Rachel Kleinfeld<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Co-Founder and Executive Director, Truman National Security Project\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Johanna Mendelson Forman<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Senior Associate, Americas Program, Center for Strategic and International Studies\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Watch the panel on the institutional approach to the rule of law and the subsequent Q&amp;A session below.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\"  id=\"_ytid_20701\"  width=\"480\" height=\"360\"  data-origwidth=\"480\" data-origheight=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/w4gtfHXSxmU?enablejsapi=1&autoplay=0&cc_load_policy=0&cc_lang_pref=&iv_load_policy=1&loop=0&rel=1&fs=1&playsinline=0&autohide=2&theme=dark&color=red&controls=1&disablekb=0&\" class=\"__youtube_prefs__  no-lazyload\" title=\"YouTube player\"  allow=\"fullscreen; accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen data-no-lazy=\"1\" data-skipgform_ajax_framebjll=\"\"><\/iframe>\n<h2><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Panel III<\/span><\/b><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u2013 Military Involvement in the Rule of Law: Surveying the Risks and Reasons\u00a0<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<h3><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">Overview<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cWhat is the rule of law? As I began to show people, I talked to them about three things: the law is fair, no one is above the law, and the rule of law is more powerful than the rule of the gun.\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u2014 David Crane<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">In his introduction of the panel, moderator Colonel Mark Martins stated that this panel discusses rule of law at a more abstract and philosophical level. The conversation addressed dynamics such as <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cwhy the military has tended to get into modern rule of law efforts at all, the risks of military involvement for instance to the development of rule of law itself and to underlying civil military relations, what risks government involvement poses to non-governmental efforts and to rule of law govern efforts writ large, and whether there are new and different approaches that might better serve U.S. national security interests.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The aftermath of military interventions in foreign conflicts poses a myriad of challenges, especially regarding the stability of the foreign state. Professor Aaron Belkin noted that few hands were raised when he asked the audience to raise their hands if they believe \u201cwe&#8217;re going to leave a stable democracy in Iraq.\u201d In addressing the reasons why rule of law implementation can sometimes fail, Belkin emphasized the importance of factoring in the \u201ccoup risk\u201d of a nation to determine whether rule of law will be maintained once it is established. Professor David Crane spoke about the threats to our future and the impact it will have on rule of law. \u201c<\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Conflicts and wars are becoming increasingly uncivilized. I would say that we&#8217;re moving away from the laws of armed conflict. We [the United States] may follow the laws of armed conflict, but there are not many others that do.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> The panelists also spoke about strategies and approaches for thinking about the problems within the relationship between the rule of law and military interventions, and addressed the complicated dynamic, including the risks of military involvement in rule of law efforts. New approaches to rule of law were delved into, and panelists shared how these novel ideas can <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cbring this community of interest together in an effective way.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Deputy Judge Advocate General of the United States Air Force Charles Dunlap provided the answer to a critical question: why does the military take the lead in building the rule of law? In response, Major General Dunlap stated, <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cWe in uniform know that it should be civilians but\u2026 from a military perspective, in conflicts in the 21<\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">st<\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> century, you cannot leave until the rule of law has been established. Additionally, the American people want us to do it. There is a thirst in American society to see things in government work.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> There are several factors that must be considered when the American military decides to intervene and establish rule of law in a foreign land. Professor Crane proposed a question that he believes should be asked before military interventions take place. <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cIs the justice and rule of law that we seek the same justice and rule of law that they want?<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Panelists<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559731&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Col. Mark Martins<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><strong> (moderator)<\/strong>, Chief, International and Operational Law Division, Office of the Judge Advocate General, U.S. Army\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Aaron Belkin<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Director, Palm Center, Associate Professor of Political Science, University of California, Santa Barbara\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">David Crane<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Professor, Syracuse University College of Law\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Major General Charles Dunlap<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Deputy Judge Advocate General, Headquarters U.S. Air Force\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559685&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">William Stuebner<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Director, Civil Military Operations, The Louis Berger Group\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559731&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Watch the panel on the risks of and reasons for intervening in foreign conflicts and future of the military interventions in rule of law and the subsequent Q&amp;A session below.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\"  id=\"_ytid_44259\"  width=\"480\" height=\"360\"  data-origwidth=\"480\" data-origheight=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ekU9Y9hPYg0?enablejsapi=1&autoplay=0&cc_load_policy=0&cc_lang_pref=&iv_load_policy=1&loop=0&rel=1&fs=1&playsinline=0&autohide=2&theme=dark&color=red&controls=1&disablekb=0&\" class=\"__youtube_prefs__  no-lazyload\" title=\"YouTube player\"  allow=\"fullscreen; accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen data-no-lazy=\"1\" data-skipgform_ajax_framebjll=\"\"><\/iframe>\n<h2><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Keynote Address<\/span><\/b><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u2013 Jeh Johnson, General Counsel, Department of Defense<\/span><\/b><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h2>\n<h3><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0Overview<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cWhen we go into a sovereign nation and push out its ruling government, we assume a moral obligation to the people there who, as a result of our actions, may find themselves with no army, no police, no running water or electricity.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> \u2014 Jeh Johnson<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">As the General Counsel at the Department of Defense, Jeh Johnson provides the senior advice to the Secretary of Defense, to the other senior officials in the department, and to the interagency community on the full range of legal issues that affect and afflict the Department of Defense. It is among his leading responsibilities to restore a measure of confidence and trust in the military justice system and to take the actions to restore the appreciation for the rule of law.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;335559731&quot;:720}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">In his address, Johnson discussed the responsibility that the American government and military has in maintaining and upholding rule of law when intervening in other nations, and the responsibility to mend any societal damage that takes place as a result. Referencing former Secretary of State Colin Powell\u2019s reminder to former President Bush about the \u201cPottery Barn Rule\u201d \u2013 <\/span><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cyou break it, you own it\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> \u2013 Johnson noted that the same ideology is also found in the Hague Conventions and emphasized the United States should uphold that tenet. 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