“Talking Feds” Features ICAP Team, Mueller Preview and More

July 23, 2019

The team of Georgetown Law's Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection (ICAP) with "Talking Feds" host Harry Litman: Joshua Geltzer, Mary McCord, Annie Owens, Litman, Amy Marshak, Nik Riley, Seth Wayne (Photography by Anthony Lemos | Infinite Gain Productions).

When Harry Litman, the former U.S. attorney, former Deputy Assistant Attorney General, and opinion columnist for The Washington Post, wanted to do a week of tapings of his “Talking Feds” podcast in July, he wanted to know whether Georgetown Law’s Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection (ICAP) wanted to be a part of it. Of course Executive Director Josh Geltzer and Senior Litigator Mary McCord said yes.

“Talking Feds” is a roundtable discussion that brings together some of the most well-known former federal prosecutors and DOJ officials in the country to analyze some of the most pressing questions, including the Mueller probe and related investigations. McCord, who served as Acting Assistant Attorney General for National Security at DOJ and is a former long-time federal prosecutor, had been on the podcast previously in a May 21 episode titled Game of Trump: A Song of Vice and Ire.

ICAP litigator Seth Wayne with Executive Director Joshua Geltzer, Senior Litigator Mary McCord and "Talking Feds" host Harry Litman.

ICAP litigator Seth Wayne with Executive Director Joshua Geltzer, Senior Litigator Mary McCord and “Talking Feds” host Harry Litman.

The latest round of discussions, recorded in McDonough Hall’s Room 141 the week of July 8, was sponsored by ICAP and the American Constitution Society. A July 9 recording, “Feds Doing Good: Stepping into the Breach of Legislative Inaction,” featured six of the nine members of the ICAP team who are now pursuing significant legal work outside of the Department of Justice: Besides Geltzer and McCord, panelists included ICAP litigators Amy Marshak, Nic Riley, Seth Wayne and Annie Owens, all DOJ alumni.

ICAP litigators Annie Owens and Amy Marshak.

ICAP litigators Annie Owens and Amy Marshak.

“I loved the opportunity to go to work every day as a career attorney, and do interesting and meaningful work…” said Marshak, who previously served as counsel to the Assistant Attorney General for National Security. “That said, I have exactly that opportunity at ICAP…[ and] we work with students, we get to participate in various moot courts going on…and be part of a law school environment.”

The week also included a July 11 preview of the much-anticipated testimony of Special Counsel Robert Mueller before the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committees. The preview featured former Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe; Ron Klain, former adviser for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign; and Matthew Miller, former DOJ spokesperson. Another panel entitled “Mooting Mueller” featured Glenn Kirschner, the former chief of the homicide section at the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia; William H. Jeffress Jr. of Baker Botts; and Adjunct Professor Elliot Williams.

“The stakes for the House are enormous,” Litman said. “They must use the opportunity if they can to make the American people understand the gravity of the offenses and misconduct laid out in the report, as pretty much anyone of the .01 percent who’s actually read the 448-page report does. That’s a complicated undertaking with expected strident opposition from the committee Republicans and the overall need to treat Mueller respectfully.”

Adjunct Professor Carrie Cordero.

Adjunct Professor Carrie Cordero.

A July 8 podcast, “Protecting the Department of Justice From Undue Political Interference,” featured former Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, former U.S. Attorney Paul Fishman and Amy Jeffress, the former Justice Department Attaché to the U.S. Embassy in London.

Other panels included “The Pardon Power: Norms and Abuses,” and “Principles v. Outcomes: Republicans for Rule of Law” with Adjunct Professor Carrie Cordero, whose roles in government have included Counsel to the Assistant Attorney General for National Security; Senior Associate General Counsel at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence; and Attorney Advisor at the U.S. Department of Justice.